Birmingham UFO Group Case Report
Author: Dave Hodrien
Release Date: 28/02/2016
For reasons of anonymity pseudonyms have been used and certain location details have been omitted
Contact is often only experienced by a single individual. However sometimes entire families can be affected by it. This is one such case from Scotland in which a mother, her two daughters and son have all had, and continue to have contact experiences. These experiences have included visitations, UFO and being sightings, psychic phenomena and many abduction related dreams.
This extensive report contains many testimonial statements from the family as well as numerous drawings and photographs.
This case does not begin with Lisa or her siblings, it in fact begins with her father’s parents. There is a story which would regularly be told over the years at family gatherings. Lisa’s grandmother Dorothy was the youngest of 13 children. In 1925 when she was five years old she used to share a bed with several of her sisters at the rental house which they all lived at.
One night her father walked past the bedroom door and looked into the room. He was horrified to find a grey coloured figure standing next to the bed and holding one of the girl’s dolls. He shouted at the girls to get out of the room, and they all fled from the house. Despite her young age, Dorothy was able to recollect this incident and used to talk about being herded up the street alongside her sisters in her nightgown. Her parents took them to their Aunts house. They refused to ever set foot in the property again after what had taken place, and the very next day gave the key back to the landlord.
Dorothy would always relate the incident to a ghost, but looking back at it Lisa wonders if it was a visitation by an ET being. This is entirely possible, especially as the figure had picked up one of the dolls, so appeared to be physically there in the room.
When I spoke to Lisa’s mother Anne on the phone I asked her about this incident. She too remembers the story which her husband’s mother would mention from time to time. Below is her testimony regarding this:
“Every time there was a few of the family together this story would come out. My husband’s mother shared a room with two of her sisters. They remember waking one night to find a tall dark grey figure at the bottom of the bed throwing dolls at them. They must have shouted for their dad, as he came in, got them all out of the bed and took them to some relatives in their night clothes. They never went back to the house after that, they would never go back there to live.”
Contact experiences often run through multiple generations of a family. Was this experience a visitation by a Grey? If so then it is possible that Lisa’s grandmother was also a contactee.
In the summer of 1969/1970 when Lisa was 6/7 years old she went on holiday with her parents to Lake Windemere in the Lake District. They stayed at a caravan at White Cross Bay on the shore of the lake.
Aerial map of White Cross Bay:
Photograph of White Cross Bay holiday camp:
One morning she awoke with a feeling of extreme nausea. Immediately the details of a very vivid dream came back to her. She had been aboard a craft hovering low above the roof of the caravan. Initially she believed it to be a helicopter completely made out of glass which she could see through, although looking back at it this of course makes no rational sense. The area she was in was oval in shape and only about 8 feet across. She found herself sitting down on a white bench-like seat, with her lower legs covered in a thick gel-like substance which filled the base of the craft.
Alongside her on the bench was the 18 year old boy from the neighbouring caravan. He was being violently sick, which made her anxious. In front of them on a bucketed seat was a dark figure who she assumed was the pilot of the craft. She could not remember any details about what this figure looked like other than the fact he/she was small and was facing away from them. She did not recall communicating with either the boy or the pilot.
Witness drawing of the craft interior and the caravans below:
The next thing she knew, Lisa found herself looking back into the craft from the outside of it. She was not yet on the ground, but believes she was in the process of being put back. The walls of the craft were still transparent, and she could see the other boy still being sick aboard it.
During the day she felt terribly sick, and shocked at how real this unusual dream seemed. She wanted to get her mum’s attention and tell her about it, but she was distracted with other friends who were there. She wanted to check the boy from next door to see if he showed any indication of illness or remembering the same as her. It was a rainy day so he did not appear outside until the afternoon. He did not seem to be ill, he just looked solemn. Due to her young age, Lisa did not have the courage to go and speak with him directly. She thought that if he could not remember anything he may think she was mad.
Lisa was not able to speak with her mother in depth about what she remembered until they had travelled back home. I spoke with Anne about this incident, here is what she recalls about it:
“Lisa was trying to tell me but I had friends at the caravan, and she couldn’t get my attention as much as she'd liked. I remember on the day her telling me that she was feeling sick and didn’t want anything to eat. She told me about what happened when we got back home. She told me she had been somewhere with the boy from the caravan next door, she said she’d been in a spaceship. She said the boy was being violently sick the next day. I didn’t take it all in at the time as I was distracted.”
Lisa says that after this incident she would panic whenever she felt ill as it reminded her of what happened. She also says that at the time you could buy a pink-coloured chocolate bar in the shape of the Pink Panther, and for some reason this would immediately remind her of that night. She has never found out the reason for this.
Taken as an individual experience, one could easily interpret this incident as nothing more than a dream, with coincidental feelings of sickness the following day. After all, Lisa saw no evidence that the boy was feeling ill the next day or could recollect the same as her. Also certain aspects such as the thick liquid in the base of the craft were very unusual. However contact experiences often come back as feeling like vivid dreams, and a feeling of nausea is commonly reported following abduction. Also there have been numerous other contact cases reported where people have been able to see out through the walls of the craft like they are invisible, such as the room which abductee Travis Walton reported entering. Regarding the pink chocolate, I do wonder if the colour was the same colour as the gel-like liquid around her legs. Again pink coloured gel has been mentioned a number of times by different contactees, there is one case from Buxton which I investigated where a woman was seen floating in a container full of a pink coloured substance.
Since this initial experience Lisa has had many other contact experiences which have come back to her in a similar manner, as you will see later in this report.
For a period of months following the incident at Lake Windemere, Lisa experienced vivid recurring identical nightmares. In these dreams she found herself in a dark environment. She could barely see anything past her own face, but it did feel like a clinical environment of some kind. She would be sitting in a reclining chair of some kind.
She could see small triangles passing close to her face within two or three centimetres of her skin. They seemed to move from the outside of both of her cheeks towards her nose. Lisa is fairly sure that the small triangles where attached to very slim rods, as she could see the rod also move across her face. She has no idea who was performing this procedure.
During one of these dreams she remembers two very small semi-circular light coloured objects falling from her nose and then blood trickling out. She knows that she didn't catch them in her hands, she assumes they must have fallen into a dish positioned in front of her face. She was unaware of feeling any pain associated with this, though she did feel very anxious.
Witness drawing showing the rod-like instrument, position it was placed on her face, and the small objects which dropped out of her nose:
After experiencing one of these dreams Lisa would wake in a panicked state. They occupied her thoughts and she felt the need to understand their significance. She remembers asking both her mother and grandmother about the possibility of objects falling out of your nose. On one particular occasion she remembers asking her grandmother “Nan, are you sure things can't just drop out of your nose like in my dreams?” Her gran turned to her mother and asked “Anne, do you think she means adenoids?” Turning to Lisa she asked “Have you got a friend who’s just had her adenoids out?” Lisa had no idea what she meant by this and responded “No I haven’t but tell me what adenoids are Nan.” Her gran replied “I don’t really know, but I think they are up your nose.”
Lisa does not remember waking up with a nose bleed after any of these dreams, though she does remember a particularly bad nose bleed which happened at school around that time. The head master had to take her home because of it. She experienced a second one the following day.
Anne cannot recall too much about this, but does remember Lisa mentioning these dreams.
“I remember Lisa going on about things coming out of her nose. She would ask her gran about it. It only went on for about a year. I just thought she’d been having dreams. I asked her what she thought it was. She said she didn’t know.”
It is possible that these dreams were flashbacks to having one or more implants placed in her nose, possibly during the abduction experience at Lake Windemere. Implants are sometimes placed in the bridge of the nose by the ETs using a metallic rod-like instrument. There are a number of cases on record where contactees have reported having nosebleeds and these objects falling out, very similar to what Lisa dreamed about.
Contactees often report experiencing sleep paralysis, and some believe that the two are directly related, although there is substantial evidence which proves they are very different experiences.
Between 1972-1976 Lisa experienced a number of incidents where she would awake in the night to find that her legs were paralyzed. They would feel very heavy like they were being pressed down against the bed. This occurred about once or twice a month. She would feel terrified that something was in the room. During these experiences she would keep her eyes tightly shut until she dropped off to sleep. She would convince herself that it was the ghost of their pet dog come to lie across the bed to keep her company. She never called out for her parents as her father would have been angry at being woken up.
On one occasion when she was 9 or 10 she became aware of something standing on the left side of the bed. She initially assumed it was her mother. When she turned to look she was terrified to see a dark hooded figure looking down at her. The figure was quite short so Lisa assumed it was female. The hood hung down in folds hiding the face.
Witness drawing showing the hooded figure alongside her bed:
Panicking she pulled the covers up over her head. She remained there for some time before daring to peep out again. To her horror the figure was still standing there. Once again she hid and in the end must have dropped off. In the morning she was adamant that she had been awake and that there had been a figure standing in her bedroom. She told her mother about it and drew a sketch of what she had seen. Anne still remembers this but sadly the drawing has been lost.
While what is described above could be considered “classic” aspects of sleep paralysis, there is the possibility that the hooded figure was a visitation by an ET being.
Flying Triangle Sighting
In 1978 when Lisa was 14 she and her parents witnessed a UFO from the living room window of their house in South-West Durham. It was just after 6pm. Lisa remembers that her father Leonard had just finished watching the news and was watching the following programme on TV.
It was a pleasant dry and calm evening. Lisa looked out of the window to the South and noticed an object hovering above the large grassy field on the opposite side of the road. It was about three quarters of the way across the field and to the Western edge of it. The object was quite low down, about 300 feet off the ground.
Witness drawing showing the triangular UFO through the window:
At first glance Lisa assumed that the object was merely a helicopter. As it was rare to see helicopters in the area she continued to look as she was interested to find out why it was there. However she quickly realised that the object was not a helicopter. It appeared to be an equilateral triangle, at least 20 feet across. It was dull dark grey in colour. There were no visible markings or windows, or any lights on it.
The UFO was absolutely stationary and not turning at all. Lisa was fascinated by what she was looking at, and immediately sensed that it was something out of the ordinary. She started to call for her father to come and see the object but he was busy watching TV. However she was determined so continued to call, saying things like “Dad you need to come and see this, there’s a triangular shaped thing just hovering over the field. I don’t know what it is. It’s like a flying triangle…it’s really odd. You need to see this, it’s still there!”
After about 30 seconds Lisa decided to also call her mother Anne to come and see. Anne was in the kitchen doing the washing up at the time. She came on through into the living room and started to observe the object. She too was extremely confused by it. At last Leonard started to take notice of what was going on so came on over to the window. The UFO immediately had his full attention. He turned to Lisa and asked her to go and quickly fetch the telescope that she owned.
Lisa left the window and ran to her room to find the scope. It took her a couple of minutes to track it down in the old toy cupboard. She was afraid that when she returned to the living room the UFO would have gone. However on returning to the room she was relieved to see that it was still present in the sky. She handed the scope to her father.
A moment after he started to view the object through the telescope he began to excitedly describe what he was observing, saying “Good God, I’ve never seen anything like it! It’s like a massive fuselage, it’s like a V Bomber…but…just a massive fuselage which forms into the wings. That’s not from here, there’s no way that could hover like that, not for that length of time. That’s a UFO, there’s no doubt that’s a UFO….My god, where’s that come from?”
They all continued to watch the object for about ten minutes, during which time it had not moved at all. Suddenly without warning the UFO shot away Eastwards towards the coast at an incredible speed. It was gone from sight in a split second! Leonard mentioned that it was impossible to follow using the scope.
In total they had observed the UFO for between 15-20 minutes. Anne owned a camera, but would only purchase film for it when going on holiday, so sadly they were unable to take any photographs of the object. Immediately after the sighting Lisa and her parents were both excited and stunned by what they had witnessed.
Soon afterwards Leonard contacted Teeside Airport to see if they could offer any explanation, but he only got a minimal response to this request. Lisa’s parents used to run their own business. The following day Lisa overheard her parents discussing the sighting with an employee. He informed them that someone else had reported seeing the same object and he had heard about it on the radio. Soon afterwards Lisa remembers seeing a newspaper article about it too, so there were clearly other witnesses. One explanation which was put forward was that the object had been a weather balloon. Obviously this was nonsense due to the way in which it had left the area, and Lisa remembers that Leonard was quite disgruntled by this suggestion.
After this sighting both Lisa and her parents changed their views on extra-terrestrial life. They were all convinced that what they had seen was an advanced craft of alien origin. Lisa expected her school friends to be as intrigued as she was. While riding the bus to school she mentioned the sighting to her friends. However they were very sceptical towards what she had seen and made jokes about it. She was very disappointed that they would not take her more seriously.
Determined to get them to believe her, she went on a day trip to Newcastle and returned with a copy of Eric Von Daniken’s famous book, "Chariots Of The Gods". She tried to show her friends on the bus but they still laughed at her. After this she realised that it would probably be best if she kept quiet about the sighting or the subject in general.
According to Lisa, Leonard often spoke about the incident with friends and acquaintances right up to his death in 2014. Leonard had served in the Royal Air Force and held a private pilot, so he was certainly aware that what he had seen was not an ordinary aeroplane of any kind.
Anne still remembers seeing the UFO with Lisa and her husband. When I spoke with her on the phone she informed me of the following:
“It was evening time, still quite light in the sky. Lisa spotted something outside through the window of the house. I came on through to take a look. I could see a V shape in the sky. It looked strange, something I had never seen before. Lisa was trying to get Leonard to come and see. In the end he did come on over. Lisa went and got a telescope. It just looked very dark grey or black in colour. It had very straight edges, quite angular in shape. There were no markings or lines on it. I never saw it through the telescope. I thought it was something strange, I didn’t put a title to it. I couldn’t understand what it was or how it stayed in the same position. I looked for about thirty seconds and then went back into the kitchen.”
Due to the appearance of the object and the incredible manoeuvre it was seen to perform from a stationary position it is likely that what Lisa and her parents observed was a Flying Triangle, one of the more commonly reported types of UFO. While some believe these to be secret craft operated by the military, I have dealt with and heard of other cases where they have been directly linked with ETs and abductions.
Since early childhood Lisa has felt that she is very intuitive and sensitive towards other people’s thoughts. She finds it very draining to be among crowds and tries to avoid situations such as this as much as possible. Being among so many people can sometimes lead to migraines. She can usually pick up a lot about a person very soon after meeting them for the first time.
One night in 1983 Lisa had a strange dream. In this dream she watched as grave diggers dug a grave for her grandmother Susan. In the morning when she awoke she felt unsettled but put it down to nothing more than a nightmare. At about 10am her father received a phone call. It was the neighbour of her grandmother. They informed him that Susan’s curtains were still closed. Her father drove around to the house and discovered that Susan had passed away in the night.
Anne remembers Lisa telling her about the dream shortly before finding out about Susan’s death:
“In the morning Lisa told me about a dream – something about a cemetery, things happening in a cemetery relating it to her gran. Soon after we got the news that nobody was answering the door around her house. It felt very strange.”
Later the same year something extremely similar happened. Lisa dreamt that her elderly uncle came to her and said that he was in heaven now drinking beer, and it was only a penny a pint. She told her mother about the dream when she awoke. Soon afterwards the family were informed that her uncle had passed away the previous night.
Again Anne has the following to say about this incident “Lisa had had a dream and in this dream her uncle had been saying it was very nice up in heaven and beer was only a penny a pint. He was very frugal so that made sense. Quite soon afterwards, could have been the following day, we found out her uncle had died.”
To have a dream of someone dying just before it actually taking place is interesting enough, but for it to happen twice within the same year seems unlikely to be coincidental. It appears that Lisa may have certain psychic abilities. This is very commonly reported by contactees and there appears to be a direct link between this and contact.
There is also signs that one of Lisa’s daughters, Gemma, may possess psychic abilities. In 2014 she asked Lisa to take her to school by car so she would not have to take the bus. When Lisa asked her the reason for this she said that she does not want anybody to know what she is thinking about. Lisa asked her why she believes they would be able to do this and she replied “Well, because I know what they are thinking.” Lisa has also informed me that Gemma can sometimes see coloured auras around individuals, and can sometimes literally see through people.
Beam of Light
By 1988 at the age of 24 Lisa had got married and moved into an upstairs flat. Thinking back to this time Lisa has a strange recollection which seems more like an actual memory than a dream. Here are Lisa’s own words on what she remembers:
“I was in the front court yard near to the front gates. It was day time, my father was also there. I was bent down, kind of sitting on my heels, and I seemed to be feeling about on the ground for something, or maybe I was using my hand against the ground to steady my balance, I am not sure. I remember looking into this intense beam of white light, similar to bright sunshine, though much more intense. My father was just standing there, looking on dreamily, sort of on the edge of it. I do not know if he was on the inside of the shaft of light or the outside, it was hard to tell as everything looked so bleached of colour. The beam was probably five or six feet in diameter. It was hurting my eyes to look up and my faculties seemed to be slowed and dulled. I have no memory of anything after that image.”
Ever since this time of her life Lisa has had recurring dreams in which her whole body is electrically charged. During these dreams she feels herself being dragged through the air by an electrical force which seems to focus around her chest and pull her upwards. On many occasions she wakes up in a panicked state with her body almost buzzing with static electricity, and is relieved to find herself in bed.
It is possible that the bizarre recollection of the beam of light is a flashback to the start of an abduction experience. Lisa says that she informed her father about it, but he clearly has no recollection of anything taking place. However it is possible that he was “shut down” during this experience, something which has been reported many times before. This could explain why he has no memory of anything taking place. Perhaps the dreams which have followed this until the present day are memories of being taken up into craft, either on this occasion or on later occasions.
In 1992 when Lisa was 28 she, her husband Simon and 2 year old daughter Dawn moved to live in Estepona, Spain for a year. Simon’s boss owned a large residence in the outskirts of Esteopona on the A-7 coast road. In the gardens of this residence were a number of holiday cottages. In May Simon had to travel with work for several days, and his boss offered Lisa the chance to stay in one of the cottages in exchange for help in the gardens.
On the Saturday morning Lisa did several hours of weeding on the front driveway of the residence. It was a warm sunny day so perfect weather to be outside. After lunch she put Dawn down for a nap. Later in the afternoon at around 4.30pm she decided to walk into Estepona with Dawn to get pizza for dinner at the harbour.
The walk to Estepona took about 30 minutes. It was a very quiet walk along the edge of the road which hugged the coastline. There were not many pedestrians around but there was regular traffic on the road and very pleasant surroundings.
Aerial map showing the A-7 coastal road leading to Estepona:
Modern photograph of the road showing the typical surroundings. Lisa says the area has become far more developed since she was there:
They arrived at the pizza restaurant about 6pm and ate dinner outside in the sunshine. Afterwards they immediately set back off home to the cottage. Lisa thanked the waiter, left the table and set off towards the coastal road.
The next thing she became aware of was of being back in the living room of the cottage. It was very dark. She had no memory of how she had arrived back home at all. She stood there with a truly surreal feeling of confusion and strangeness. She looked around in the darkened room for a clue about what was going on, and found Dawn standing next to her quietly.
All of a sudden her mind kicked back into action. She put the light on and looked at the travel clock. She was shocked to find that it was now 9.30pm. She could not understand where she and Dawn had been for the last few hours. She frantically attempted to think back to what had taken place, but could not recall anything. The strangeness of the situation sank in and she began to feel a little frightened.
Lisa put Dawn to sleep and then tried to settle down herself but could not. She felt terrible and her mind was continuously trying to work out what had happened. She could barely wait for the morning to arrive. The following day she was still feeling distressed so decided to leave the cottage a day early and head back home. She was planning to call for a taxi when Simon’s boss turned up to see how things were going. He explained to her that he had come to the cottage during the evening, and when he had found it empty he had become a bit concerned.
He asked her where she had been. Lisa just stood there dumbstruck. She didn’t really know how to explain what had happened so simply said “I don’t really know, the time was all wrong.” She could tell he was confused by this response, but didn’t know what else to say. She managed to tell him that she wanted to head back home, making the excuse that Dawn was not feeling well. Rather than call a taxi, Simon’s boss offered to drive them back himself.
Lisa’s confusion remained and she found it hard to concentrate on anything else. She also noted that Dawn was also quieter than she would usually be. Later in the day once she was back home she rang her mother about what took place, and when Simon returned home she went over everything with him too.
Lisa says that in the months following this incident the feeling of her body being electrically charged at night intensified, and on many occasions she woke up feeling exhausted even though she was getting enough sleep.
It seems clear that Lisa experienced several hours of missing time. Dawn was too young to properly discuss what had happened during this time, yet must have also experienced it. It is unlikely that she got the time wrong and left the restaurant later than she thought she was because she knows she set off for Estepona around 4.30pm and that the journey time on foot was about 90 minutes. Lisa is also aware that they left the restaurant straight after the meal. Also the fact that Simon’s boss came round to find the cottage empty during the evening shows that they were missing at that time, much later than they should have been back.
It had been a bright sunny day which involved lots of walking and outdoor activities. Could Lisa have suffered from heat stroke and collapsed for a while before getting back up in a daze and walking back home? This seems pretty unlikely for a number of reasons. She was not feeling unwell when she set off back to the cottage, if she was about to collapse it is likely she would not have felt right beforehand. If she did collapse then surely someone would have spotted her with Dawn standing alongside her? While there weren’t many pedestrians around Lisa says that there were cars driving along the road. And even if she had been dazed when she got back to her feet she would surely have been able to remember something, no matter how hazy. Yet the memory of how she had returned home was completely gone.
Lisa also noticed that Dawn was acting strangely and was quieter than usual. Even though Dawn was too young to confirm why she was acting this way, it is possible that she was affected by whatever had taken place.
Given Lisa’s many other contact experiences, it is certainly possible that she and Dawn were abducted while walking back along the coastal road, and were then returned back to the cottage where they were staying with the memories of the experience blocked out. This is an extremely commonly reported aspect of contact, so even though no craft was seen and Lisa had no other indication she had been taken this is still worth considering.
In 1995 Lisa found she was pregnant. The pregnancy was progressing well and there were no concerns. He was going for regular check-ups and scans. However when she was 14 weeks pregnant the baby seemed to have disappeared overnight. She woke in the morning immediately sensing that she was no longer pregnant.
Lisa kept telling herself that she must be wrong. Her work skirt had not been fastening properly because of the baby. She decided to put it on to prove to herself that she was mistaken. But when she did to her horror the skirt fastened up. She knew that it had not the day before.
She contacted her doctor, who attempted to reassure her that it was unlikely she had anything to worry about, as there was no sign she had had a miscarriage. The doctor arranged for her to have a scan at the hospital. The person performing the scan paused before asking "Are you sure about your dates?" When Lisa confirmed that she was very sure, she then said "You must have lost the pregnancy." Lisa could not make sense of what had happened, as she felt certain she had been pregnant 24 hours previously, and she had definite confirmation that the baby was there on her most recent scan, which had taken place the previous week.
At the time she had no choice but to accept this explanation. However she now wonders whether the baby was taken from her by the ETs. While this may seem like an extreme explanation for what happened it is still worth considering. Lisa was going for regular scans and was also aware that her dress had not fastened correctly on the previous day. It is possible for babies in the early stages of development to pass away and get re-absorbed into the uterus, however at 14 weeks it seems unlikely this would have happened entirely in such a short space of time.
By the winter of 1999 Lisa had separated from her first husband and living with her mother. She had recently started to see her present husband Gavin. Due to the time of year and the fact that the road home from her work place would be quite lonely, Gavin used to regularly meet her in his own car about 8.30pm and then escort her home to the top of the road which her mother’s house lay on.
One evening they were on their way back home like usual. It was fully dark but the weather was fine. Lisa was suddenly shocked to find the car moving along the road but with the engine switched off. The car did not slow down at all, she merely felt for the ignition key and restarted it. She felt that she must have had a temporary lapse in concentration and that something was wrong with the car.
She immediately looked ahead for Gavin to flag him over and inform him that her car may be playing up. But when she looked she could no longer see his car ahead of her, or in the rear view mirror. This was bizarre as she was on a long straight road at the time. She reached the roundabout at the top of her road. There was still no sign of Gavin’s car so she turned off and headed for home. Anne was already in bed, so she too went off to sleep.
In the morning Lisa informed Anne about what happened. Anne was surprised as it was not at all like Gavin to leave Lisa to travel home on her own. Later on Lisa met up with Gavin and brought it up with him. Upon hearing her story Gavin became very confused. He said that he was sure her car was right behind his right up until the roundabout. This clearly contradicted what Lisa recalled taking place. It all seemed extremely strange.
There is no evidence that this incident involved contact but it is unusual so it has been included. Gavin seemed adamant that he remained ahead of Lisa right until she reached her road. Could she have somehow not noticed his car ahead of her? Maybe she stalled the vehicle and so Gavin was a short distance further ahead than he would usually be and was lost from sight due to the darkness. Or could there have been some kind of mix up involving another car, where Gavin began driving ahead of a different car mistaking it for Lisa’s car? We are unlikely to ever know for sure.
Lisa’s second daughter Gemma was born the following year. By 2004 the family had moved to a remote area of Scotland. It was around this time that Gemma became a vegetarian overnight. One morning she told her mother that she could never eat meat again. Below are Gemma’s comments on this.
“My mum tells me I ate meat regularly up until the age of 4 years old. I have one vivid memory from when I was very young. I was point blank refusing to eat the meat my mum had cooked for me. My mum kept telling me if I didn't eat it, I wouldn't be allowed to go with my dad to feed the neighbours fish. I repeatedly told my mum I just couldn't eat it. Since then, meat has never been an option at all for me.”
You may wonder why this has been mentioned in the report. Quite often contactees develop strong feelings towards protection of the environment, which often leads to them becoming vegetarian. Obviously it cannot be said for certain that this was related, but it is a sign that perhaps Gemma was experiencing contact from this age and possibly even before.
Two years later at the age of six Gemma developed a profound interest in outer space. She became obsessed with watching the night sky and would regularly ask to be taken outside to look up at the stars. Here is what Gemma has to say about this:
“For many years, from an early age the sky in general fascinated me. I remember pleading with my parents, begging them to take me up this hill just passed our village to watch the night sky. It was pitch black when we would climb up with our head torches hoping to catch a glimpse of any movement above us. If we happened to see either the Northern lights or a shooting star, I would shake uncontrollably with excitement. I remember it being about four in the morning when I was still begging my parents to take me out one last time before I went to bed.
Ever since I was younger I have had this habit of having to stand against a wall or have something behind me when I am in the dark because I feel like someone is behind me. I am still fascinated by the sky and seem to know instinctively when something is there before I even look, whether that be a plane or helicopter etc.”
Again contactees regularly report having a fascination with the stars, which is possibly a subconscious knowing that this is where their contacts have come from.
As a child Gemma loved to play with Sylvanian Families animal figurines. Among these toys were a family of owls. Lisa remembers a number of times where Gemma told her that when she was in bed at night full sized owls which looked like her toys would sit on top of her wardrobe and fly across the bedroom.
Photograph of the Sylvanian Families owl family:
Below is Gemma’s testimony regarding these experiences:
“The owls I witnessed in my room were not real animal type owls. I had Sylvanian Families when I was younger and had a family of owls. I remember telling Edward, my brother, I had seen the owl ‘mum and dad’ sitting on top of my wardrobe then flying across my room. I don't remember what age I was exactly, but I had Sylvanian families in my room from about five/six to about ten years of age. I remember seeing this about twice.”
The Greys often utilise “screen memories” to mask their true appearance, so that the contactee remembers seeing something else entirely. They regularly seem to choose appearances that will be familiar to the individual, perhaps in an effort to reduce the fear of the situation. It is possible that these incidents were visitations, and that the beings had taken this form to put Gemma's mind at ease. It is also worth noting that many contactees have reported seeing normal looking owls, and this is one of the forms that the beings will sometimes take.
From 2006 onwards there are signs that Lisa, both of her daughters Dawn and Gemma, and her son Edward have independently experienced contact seemingly involving visitations by beings and sometimes detailed abduction recollections.
Gemma began to develop headaches and would wake up with nose bleeds. One week she had a nose bleed every day for an entire week. On a night soon afterwards during the early hours she came into Lisa’s bedroom clearly distressed. She told Lisa and Gavin that she and Edward had been exploring a rocky terrain with small alien creatures. Here is Gemma’s testimony regarding this:
“I remember very clearly waking up with nosebleeds a lot when I was younger. I remember one week I had them several times every day. I remember the night of the dream, waking up in a lot of distress and going through to my mum’s room to tell her about it. My dad was away at work at the time so I slept with my mum for the rest of the night. I remember the dream very clearly. Myself and Edward, who was about 4 at the time, were in this rocky, unearth-like terrain surrounded by stalagmites. There were small alien beings with us, who carried small pistol like devices.
On multiple occasions Edward informed Lisa that he had seen figures standing next to his bed during the night. He said that they would reach out and touch the top of his head while he was lying down. Below is Edward’s testimony regarding these incidents:
“I would usually see one or two figures. Sometimes it was before I dropped off to sleep and at other times I would wake up and know they were there. Sometimes I wouldn't see them, but they would put images into my head so as not to frighten me.
It was usually dark but I could still make out their big eyes, no nose, instead they just have like small nostril holes and the shape of their heads, they were heart shaped without the dip at the top. I could just see the outline of their bodies, I think four feet or smaller.
I did not shout out because as soon as I felt afraid they would cause me not to be able to shout. I always intended to shout the next time they came, but I never could. Even though I sometimes felt afraid I never felt they were there to hurt me.
I can remember them being there vividly about four times or so when I was little, but I know it has been loads of times. They did speak to me through my mind, but I can't remember exactly what they said, it was more "knowing" and I knew what I had to do.”
Frequently Lisa would wake up in a panicked state, certain that something was there in the bedroom. Often she would feel as though she had just been dropped back into bed and could feel a buzzing vibration racing through her body as well as the bed. On these occasions she would keep her eyes tightly shut as she did not want to see whatever was there. She would have fragmented dreams where she found herself in a learning environment, and would regularly suffer from strong headaches.
When Edward was seven years old he told Lisa how he had woken in the night and come into her bedroom. When he did so two beings came from the side of the room and reached out to grab him.
He said he was terrified when he had seen them and he had tried to turn and run back out into the hall, but the bedroom door had shut behind him. He then showed Lisa how he had tried to avoid them by curling up in a ball behind the door. He said he then woke up back in his own room.
Edward cannot recollect this incident in much detail but here is his testimony regarding it:
“Gemma and mum remember me telling them about this happening, though I can't remember it very well now. I remember I would sprint between rooms and slam the doors behind me. Mum would tell me off for doing this, but I would see images in my head and I knew they were there, and the faster I moved the less likely I thought they would be able to take me. I always thought one of them looked like a lion and I remember seeing it in mum's room.”
The description of the lion-like being in this particular incident is very interesting. It is possible that this being was using a screen memory to mask its appearance, perhaps to appear less unusual, but if so why did only one of the beings appear in this way? Another possibility is that the lion-like being was displaying its true form. There are a number of contact cases on record where people have met with feline-like beings. These cases are quite rare but they do exist. Could this have been one of these? As you will see, this would not be the last time which he would encounter this being.
One day in either the autumn/winter of 2008 Lisa had the evening to herself. Gavin was out at work, Dawn was out with friends and both Gemma and Edward had gone to bed. She sat watching TV for a while. Dawn came home and after speaking briefly went up to bed. Soon afterwards Lisa also decided to head on up to get some sleep.
It was between 10.30-11pm. She had only been lying down for a short while and felt very much awake. She could hear Dawn still moving around in her room. Lisa was lying on the left hand side of the bed facing the window. As on many other occasions she left the curtains open to look at the night sky.
With her eyes still open, Lisa rolled over and as she did moved across onto the other side of the bed. Immediately she was shocked to see three figures step out of the darkness towards the lower right corner of the bed. They were all wearing dark robes with hoods that hung over their faces, similar to the figure she had seen when she was 9 or 10. Two of the figures were about 4.5 feet tall. The third figure stood behind them and was about a foot taller.
Witness drawing of the three hooded figures:
Lisa was immediately filled with absolute terror. She began to scream out “No! No!” and jumped up out of bed, running out onto the landing through the open doorway, hitting the light switch to the bedroom as she did. In fear she ran several steps away from the bedroom along the landing. She suddenly stopped, and as she did an instant feeling of calmness came over her. All she could think was “You must stop this behaviour. You’ll frighten the children!” She calmly called out “Sorry Dawn, I think I saw a spider!”
She then walked back into the bedroom. The figures were nowhere to be seen. She switched off the light and got back into bed, and remembers nothing more taking place. Lisa is still mystified why she went back to bed after what had happened.
The following morning she felt deeply unsettled, even afraid. She felt that the figures had been ghosts and that the house must be haunted. She discussed what she had seen with Dawn. Dawn informed her that she had felt dizzy and unable to move from her bed at the time. However she had heard her mother shout out and heard her footsteps as she ran along the hall.
There are a number of very interesting aspects to this experience. There are a number of cases on record where people suffering from sleep paralysis have seen shadowy figures in their room and felt extreme fear. However it is clear that Lisa was not paralyzed at the time of seeing the figures as she immediately jumped up out of bed and ran out of the room. The fact that Dawn remembered hearing this happen proves that it was not just a nightmare and she had physically reacted to something.
Also there are signs that Dawn may have been under some form of control at the time, perhaps to prevent her from interfering with whatever was taking place. It is also possible that Lisa was under control, she cannot understand why she would have re-entered her room after leaving it, it was as if the fear of seeing these figures in the room was completely removed. It is very common for contactees to act in an unusual manner during experiences, they often become complacent to what is taking place exactly how Lisa describes.
The entities were of different sizes, perhaps indicating that Lisa was visited by two different “types” of being, although she could not see their features so there is no way to determine this. I have investigated other cases where people have reported seeing ETs wearing dark hooded robes, again suggesting contact took place.
In 2010 Edward had to undergo emergency surgery for a ruptured appendix. Lisa says that in his first conversation after the surgery he began to talk of travelling in a space craft high above a forest at incredible speed. He said that he was among strangers and desperately wanted to return home to his parents.
Here is what Edward recalls about this incident:
“I remember waiting to go into surgery to have my appendix removed. Mum and dad were talking to me and I knew everything that was going on. I remember the doctor put the mask on to make me fall asleep and then I remember it all going white.
Straight afterwards I found myself in mum and dad's bedroom and I was talking to a tall man, but I can't remember what was said. He was wearing a large suit, it had a really big collar and it was pulled up to cover his face. He also had a porkpie hat on. The being which reminded me of a lion was also there with him.
Next I found myself on a space craft, I was in an empty room which was curved. I remember the middle of the craft was an empty space and there were control panels all around the edge. I don't know how I knew they were control panels, I just knew. The whole of the inside of the ship glowed purple. The window was a large curve, it went about an eighth of the way round the ship and I was alone and looking out of it. The craft was flying very fast and very low over tree tops, I could see trees for miles, I felt we were flying so low, I could have touched the leaves, I remember looking down and I just knew they were oak trees.
Next I remember being with people who were strangers, I thought they were old because they were small. I think there were three or four of them and I kept asking if I could go home to mum and dad. I'm sure this was not a dream and I'm sure I was on that space ship, it was so real and I still remember it so clearly. As soon as I woke up I felt fine and wide awake and I told my mum straight away.”
Even though Edward feels certain he was not dreaming, this cannot be fully ruled out due to the fact that he was unconscious and undergoing surgery at the time. There is no sign that he was abducted while in the hospital, and it seems unlikely that this would happen without anyone becoming aware of his absence.
However there are other possibilities worth considering. Perhaps this experience was not a dream but was in fact a memory of a previous abduction experience which had now come back to him. There is also the possibility that this was what is known as a meta-physical abduction. This is where the individual appears to have undergone a contact experience but has clearly not physically been taken.
Lisa has also considered the idea that this was a near death experience, and that the ETs somehow saved Edward’s life. The surgery was apparently quite dangerous and something not everyone pulls through.
By 2013 the family had moved to the West coast of Scotland. One day Lisa watched a documentary about alien abduction. She was amazed by what she saw. Lisa has the following to say about it:
“I remember being stunned by this documentary. It left me fascinated and I could not get the idea out of my head that I could relate to so much of it. The more I thought about it the more everything just added up, not just for myself, concerning the kids as well. It was as though the penny had finally dropped with regard to years of strange events and being puzzled over them.
I suppose everything just seemed to fit into place, almost as if it was meant to do so. I realised there are other people out there who have had and continue to have very similar experiences. Of course I had moments of "No, surely not....?" Yet I could relate to this phenomena in a way which seemed to be second nature, as though ‘yes! I know what they mean inside out’. It was almost effortless for me to understand and I began to watch more documentaries of this nature, looking to compare my experiences with others.
I think far from feeling afraid, I almost felt liberated after years of experiencing phenomena I was unable to understand. I was now beginning to develop a new understanding which I am very grateful for.”
Lisa decided from this point onward to keep a log of anything unusual which took place. It was good that she decided to do this because in the following years the amount of contact experienced by the family increased further.
Throughout 2013 Lisa experienced a number of dreams in which she was in a learning environment with other people. One dream in October stood out in particular for her.
She was in a row of people seated alongside one another. They were sitting at computer devices moulded onto curved white tables. These tables were situated in a long curved and narrow room. She did not recognise the people around her, but they seemed familiar to her. Most of them were female.
Witness drawing of the row of seated people using the devices:
Everyone was there to learn. Some had already passed their tests while others were working towards passing them. Somebody in charge told her that she had passed her tests. It felt to her like she had been working towards them for many years, so could barely believe what she was being told. The people around her congratulated her. Lisa cannot recall what the person in charge looked like and whether or not they were human.
Travelling Aboard Craft
One morning in January 2014 Gemma came downstairs and informed Lisa that she had had an amazing experience. Something had stirred her from her sleep during the night. She felt certain that she was wide awake. Edward was sleeping on a mattress in her room at the time as his was being redecorated. Gemma checked her brother and found he was still asleep. She had a strong feeling that they were not alone in the room.
Looking to the front of the room she was shocked to see three beings staring at her and Edward. There was a fourth on the landing visible through the open bedroom doorway. Gemma immediately sensed that they were telepathically communicating with her as well as with each other. A sensation of calmness came over her and she rolled onto her side.
The next thing she became aware of she found herself aboard a craft. She informed Lisa that the beings had taken her to see a number of things including the International Space Station and two stone pyramids at different locations on Earth. She was also shown a number of star maps. One of these had a small group of stars and a planet indicated on it, which she believed to be their home. The beings pointed out this group of stars through the window. She was only able to make out six stars, but the map appeared to have at least two more on it. Throughout proceedings the beings spoke with her telepathically and appeared to be interested in her responses.
In the morning when she was getting ready she discovered two small cuts or burns on her lower lip. They were tender and had a burnt taste to them. She felt certain that they had not been there the previous evening.
While Gemma was informing Lisa about what she remembered, Lisa’s eldest daughter Dawn rang up to say she had seen something during the night! She said that she had awoken and realised she was being watched through the bedroom window by numerous figures. She instinctively sensed that these figures were not human and that they were there to take her away. She did not panic, and was more upset by how tired she was at being woken in the middle of the night. This was the last thing she could recall happening.
Below is Gemma’s extensive testimony of what took place:
“I remember this really clearly, this was not a dream. I woke up in the middle of the night and felt the presence of something in the room. I remember three tall, bald headed beings wearing black suits stood in front of my bed, and another one, the exact same stood on the landing outside my bedroom. They all looked pretty much identical. The being on the landing kept looking into my room then would look down the stairs. It was hard to tell how tall they were, I'm 5ft7ins and I believe they were a few inches taller than me. They had very broad shoulders, the suit arms seemed unreasonably long and they were very pale skinned.
I was afraid to look and at this point I realised they were putting images into my mind so I was able to see what they were doing and what they looked like. I felt them telling me to go back to sleep and I didn't question them being here at all as if it felt normal. I turned over and went back to sleep.
The next thing I knew I was on board a craft. I was by the window sitting on what must have been a chair or stool. I can't remember what I was wearing. One of the beings seemed very familiar and I felt I had a real connection with him. He seemed very interested in my emotions and I would catch him watching me often. I've met him since and feel some sort of connection as if he could be like a brother to me. I felt as if the other beings did not know how to express emotions although I didn't find them scary at all.
The craft felt very big and the interior was curved. I remember inside the craft seemed very bright and clear. I don't know where the light was coming from. There were some sort of desks, where beings were sat getting on with their own work on computer like devices. They all looked the same as the others although I didn’t pay as much attention to them. One particular being communicated and stayed with me throughout the experience while others carried on with what they were doing, although I felt they were all very interested in my responses. I knew this was not a room on Earth as I would find myself observing things from above and then from space.
I didn't feel scared at all, I was amazed at what I was getting to see and it almost felt sort of natural. I felt instinctively, that this whole trip was a treat. Throughout the whole trip, I was constantly being fed information although I don't remember a lot of it. I was taken to see the space station and the view was really clear. We hovered, near enough that the view was really clear.
Some of the information given to me was an explanation of how they travel and where they come from. I was shown maps of the moon, and told what happened in certain areas of the moon but I remember very little about that. I was shown a picture of a constellation and told this is where they were from. I cannot remember what this looked like but I drew a picture of it the next day and gave it to my mum but she has lost it and is still trying to find it. I was also shown a map like thing which showed different vortex like tunnels going from different locations on the Earth's surface to different locations in space. I was told that certain people on Earth are aware of these routes and also know that aliens are regular visitors to this planet. They told me to tell my friends that they are here but I haven’t done so yet because I'm worried about what their reactions will be.
The craft felt as if it was stationed because it kept the same pace as the space station. Whenever the craft began to move, I knew I was to sit down as they told me telepathically we were moving too fast. All communication was telepathic. It seemed if I had any questions, they would be answered before I asked them like they knew what I was thinking.
When we went to see the pyramids, I don't remember the travelling part, I just remember being there. Both pyramids I went to see were flat topped and seemed to be located quite high up. One of the pyramids I saw was in a very isolated area of what I believe to maybe be China. It was high above the regular tree height and it was surrounded by mist which was rising out of the forest. I don't really know why I feel as if this pyramid is undiscovered, that's just the feeling I got from it. There didn't seem to be any way to get up to this pyramid from the ground. There were no other people here.
The second pyramid I went to see was similar but clearly a tourist attraction. It was high up above trees again but I remember no mist and it was definitely in a different location. We seemed to get closer to this one as I could see tourists below us very clearly. I remember a blonde girl with a green backpack observing the pyramid, then turning round looking straight at us. Her facial expression never changed, she showed no shock or confusion. It was basically as if she could not see us. Both pyramids also had a square base. I’m not sure what distance we were from the pyramids but it was close enough to see what was going on clearly.
The last part of the journey I remember before waking up was seeing the blonde woman on the pyramid steps looking up at us. The next thing I remember is waking up and going down stairs to tell my mum what had happened during the night. I really believed I had experienced this through the night as everything felt so real.
The day after, I had sore burn like marks on my bottom lip. They were brown indentations and they tasted burnt as well. I do not remember anything happening to my lip during the trip, but the marks were not there before I went to sleep that night and they remained there for about two or three days after.
In the middle of explaining to my mum, my sister phoned to tell her what had happened to her the same night. She said that whilst in bed, she had seen figures outside her window and that she instinctively knew they weren't human and they were there to take her away. Her immediate response was “Oh no, not tonight, I'm shattered and I just want to stay in bed”.
Gemma’s recollection is very detailed and it may be hard to believe that this was nothing more than a vivid dream. However it is important to remember that prior to the recollection of being aboard the craft Gemma experienced a visitation and felt that she was wide awake.
We have to take into account that on the same night her elder sister also appears to have experienced a visitation. Perhaps she too was taken but had the memories of this blocked out.
Regarding the initial appearance of the four beings, Gemma was clearly not experiencing sleep paralysis at the time as she was able to move freely and look around the room, so I believe this can be excluded as a valid explanation for what took place.
I sent Gemma a number of photographs of flat-topped pyramids in an attempt to locate either of the ones she had seen. She says that one of them looked similar to the below photograph, which is a stepped Mayan pyramid located in Mexico. However she says it was not this particular one which she was shown, the one she saw appeared to be at high altitude and surrounded by jungle.
There was also the small wounds on her lip which seemed to have appeared during the night. Unfortunately neither Lisa nor Gemma took a photograph of these markings.
But could these have been from an examination procedure which Gemma is currently unaware of? Here is Lisa’s testimony about the markings:
“The burns/cuts on Gemma's lip were very visible. There were two of them, each about half a centimetre long (vertically) and about a centimetre apart just inside her bottom lip. Gemma complained about them all day, she constantly checked them and puzzled over how they got there. I think it took a couple of days for them to be gone completely.”
Many aspects of the experience certainly fit in with other contact cases I have investigated or heard about over the years, including the appearance of the beings and the craft surroundings and the way in which she was shown star maps. Taking these facts into consideration it is certainly possible that Gemma was abducted and this incident took place as she recalls it.
(Continued in Part 2)
Copyright Dave Hodrien 2016